I recently went into the TrySports store in Raleigh. I asked the sales guy if they sold spacers for cleats. He asked me why I thought I needed spacers. I briefly explained my saddle woes and how someone off my blog told me that I might needed to correct a leg length discrepancy. Oh boy, did I open a can of worms by saying that!! He said adding spacers can do more harm than good and he only recommends them if you’ve been to an orthopedist to have your bones measured properly. I wasn’t about to question his expertise, even tho I did really want to try the spacers!
Anyway, he went on to explain how he does bike fits. Which is basically to spend a ton of time with you, letting you ride on the trainer for 45 minutes in the store, spending more time talking about how it felt, more adjustments, going home to do a 3 hour ride, another visit for more tweaking, etc. He charges by the hour. That sounds really great – I wish I could afford to do that! Since I can’t, I will have to do my own tweaking.
Then I measured my forearm length and checked the forward/back position of the saddle. It was pretty close to specs, too. I had fiddled with that a little bit, but not much. The thing I changed most the day I tweaked my saddle position was tilt the nose of the saddle up. I got out a level and measured it…it was definitely titled up. The new saddle sore I have is in the front part of my butt, so I decided to tilt the nose back down to where it was level.
After that, I got on the trainer to do a hard Spinervals workout: The Uphill Grind. After riding a bit, I found myself wanting to inch forward on the saddle, to get a more powerful pedal stroke. However I also feel more pressure on the pubic bones in that position. I think what happened in that painful 3 hour ride last weekend was that I had moved forward on the saddle for power, and was trying to stay put – so as not to cause friction by ‘scrubbing’ forward and backward. Friction is bad, right? But staying forward like that for 3 hours lead to alot of pain and pressure in my pubic bones. I HTFU’d because I was operating on the assumption that my bones just need to get tougher.
Maybe not. Maybe I am sitting incorrectly on the saddle. Pubic bones aren’t meant to be sat on for 3+ hours! Sit bones are, tho…so today, after titling the nose down, I slid back to where my sit bones are bearing most of my weight and my pubic bones felt less pressure and started spinning. But I felt less powerful in that position. So, I got off and moved the seat forward a little. Then got back on and continued the hard trainer ride. Repeated this one more time, moving seat forward a bit more.
Oh, and today I also used a buttload (hehe) of Chamous Butt’r as my friend suggested. Two tablespoons.
I hope to get in a 3 hour ride this week. I will use my bike shorts and lots of But’r.
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I think you method of testing various seat positons will be resolves this long-standing problem. Look forward hearing about you long rides at the new seat position(s).
Hi Carol. I read your blog today and thought I'd let you know of my experience. After shopping for a new bike at all the local shops and not really being comfortable w/ the way they handled the process and fit me I decided to buck up ($200) and pay for a fit before I bought a new bike. I went to Victor Jimenez of Bicycle Lab in Carrboro and was blown away by his detail and knowledge. I must say it was worth every dollar that I spent. He spends at least two hours with you. If I learned one thing it's not just about your measurements it's about how you ride and your flexibility.
Best, Mark
He wouldn't even look at your leg length for free? That's sucky. I had a hard time to convince the bike shop to give me spacers, but when I told him a CT scan reviewed 9 mm difference, I was able to buy them. I don't think you should have to endure all kinds of radiation, though, to try shims. I'm curious why he thought they would do more harm than good, though. BTW, I read Peter Reid has a leg length discrepancy.
Scott and I both have our seats as far forward as they will go (even beyond the recommended marks). For me, I feel most powerful like that.
Last year was the first time ever that I got a saddle sore. It really hurt and lasted most of the season and then finally went away in the off season. So far, things are OK this year. The Adamo is giving my sit bones a real breaking in period, but I hope to avoid that painful condition again. I have never used chamois cream, but may try that if that saddle sore returns.
Good stuff, Carol! I have also been thinking about moving my seat more forward, because my legs want me to be more forward, but my butt doesn't. I might give it a try since it seemed to work for you too! Good luck with the long ride.